this has been the entire reasoning behind voting for the “lesser evil” for a majority of the last century and it has ended up with those unprepared and unwilling democrats in charge.
Centrists are no longer able to effectively keep progressives from winning.
Whoever heard of nazis using gambling as a pretext for oppression?
I’m shocked. Shocked!
Can’t tell if this is doomerism or gloating. Don’t care either.
Far as I’m concerned, you’re rooting for ICE.
How do you measure effectiveness of the whistles before they pass your vital approval, o lord of what the left is permitted to do?
Are they not incrementalist enough for you? They go down one slow layer at a time.
I thought you were being too harsh. You weren’t.
I don’t have to do shit when you demand and not ask.
that is definitely a litmus test for where democratic voters heads are at, but that’s also definitely not control of party.
Not yet, no. But there haven’t been a ton of races since trump won and it became undeniable that centrist democrats were both unprepared and unwilling to take on this challenge. The more progressives win, the more influence they can exert on the party.
Mamdani’s a good proof of concept. The party brought everything down it could to ratfuck him, before and after the primaries, and failed. We just had a progressive win in New Jersey. Another in Fort Worth.
Decisively in all cases.
That last one shows the centrist “we need to run centrists to win in conservative districts” line to be so much bullshit.
so why advocate voting for progressive democrats when moderate democrats will not allow any progressive members to control the democrat party?
Because the centrist wing has lost all credibility and we’re seeing their power to block progressives waning.
Also agree. If progressives are to have a party, centrists must be replaced with progressives.
Agree entirely.
Democrats in safe seats capitulate and deserve all the criticism they get but not all Democrats want the stairs quo.
Which is why I referred specifically to a wing of the democratic party and not the whole thing.
This logic will elect Republicans again and they will make the situation worse.
Which is why the wing of the party that capitulates to republicans keeps doing it.
It gives centrist democrats and other republicans something to masturbate to
I don’t have to show you anything.
So why
did
they
feel the need
to sue?
The party sued as many people off the ballot as possible. Biden was the only one on the ballot in all 50 states. Congratulations on the only sort of primary you or any centrist wants: one with a preselected pro-genocide appointee.
Just like on reddit, where “be civil” means “don’t sass the nazis.”
I cannot fucking believe people thought Trump would be better for Palestine than Kamala…
Few did. Those of us who knew that people would stay home because of it tried to warn everyone that if Harris didn’t change course, she would lose. Centrists didn’t want to hear any of it. They either didn’t believe us or didn’t care because they wanted genocide so badly that they were willing to accept trump.
And I fully expect someone to reply to this by trying to convince me to vote for her even though I did and the election is over.
I usually avoid both terms. Centrists love calling anyone who doesn’t love genocide and nothing else a trump supporter though.
So it was doomerism and not gloating then. The politicians you’re counting on have done nothing to rein in ICE. Quite the contrary, they massively ballooned ICE’s budget. But you shit all over anything ordinary people do to protect one another.
You’re expecting peer reviewed studies about the efficacy of whistles against ICE over the past two months, with no baseline to compare it to. That’s an unreasonable ask in bad faith, especially from an acolyte of the party that hasn’t done shit to stop fascism since McCarthy, and has in fact been hostile to fascism’s opponents while capitulating to fascists.
You’re expecting hard proof of efficacy that you have never and will never demand of the “capitulate to fascists” wing of the party.