• cannedtuna@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Expects utopian society, only watches first episode. Ignores every instance where things aren’t utopian / breaks rules.

    DS9 great example of non utopia. Shit TNG had a ton of examples of how Starfleet isn’t perfect and there’s still political bs.

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      DS9 great example of non utopia.

      It’s a great example of the struggles to achieve utopia and the decisions made in pursuit of those goals.

      Shit TNG had a ton of examples of how Starfleet isn’t perfect and there’s still political bs.

      Practically a running joke that every Starfleet Admiral is trash, sure.

      But they’re typically described as contrary to the ideological underpinnings of Star Fleet, not agents within a system that rewards and reproduces corruption.

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        It’s a great example of the struggles to achieve utopia and the decisions made in pursuit of those goals.

        YOU BETRAYED YOUR UNIFORM.

        Mr Worf, gas that planet. If they don’t evacuate in an hour, it’s not my fault if they die in agony.

        If the ends justify the means, and you don’t get the ends, you just have the means.

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        It’s a great example of the struggles to achieve utopia and the decisions made in pursuit of those goals.

        It’s exactly this sort of moral complexity and nuance that gave Star Trek its best stories.

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        I love TOS because Kirk was a renegade rule breaker who had lots of sex, and Spock was stoic and never showed emotion ever. Also is there a more iconic phrase than “Beam me up Scotty”?

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      2 days ago

      DS9 was also an outlet for Rick Berman’s nasty misanthropy, he despises the world of Star Trek and loathes the idea of the Federation.

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      Hell, even by first episode standards, Voyager literally starts with the Maquis rebels. It’s right out the gate critical of the Federation’s utopia, haha.